Transcript of Nick Godejohn’s Calls and Gypsy’s Videos from Into The Weeds Podcast 11 Dec 2025

Nick Godejohn to Sophie Cunningham, Call 4

Nick: Hi, Sophie.

Sophie Cunningham: Hi. How are you?

Nick: Doing pretty good.

Sophie Cunningham: You woke up on time.

Nick: Yeah.

Sophie Cunningham: You all right? You seem tired?

Nick: Usually cuz everybody’s so loud during early morning hours or like 1 2 3 in the morning. I usually be lucky if I wake up in time.

Sophie Cunningham: You know what? It’s funny cuz I know you told me before and I said to my colleague that like you needed someone to wake you up and I said to my colleague, I know why I haven’t heard from Nick today. So, I knew exactly why it was that you, that we haven’t spoken. Thanks for calling me today though. It’s nice to talk to you again. Have you been okay?

Yeah. Yeah…

What’s been going on?

Other than just trying to prepare for my trial, which I’m guessing you are aware that it obviously it’s not officially yet, but it’s probably going

to be moved to like June.

Right. Because it’s definitely not happening in December.

Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, preparing for that. I’ve been also trying to look into ways on maybe not even having to worry about going to trial and a mistrial or something like that…something that’ll give me..yeah an edge. Still trying to look into that stuff, too.

Have you , what about some sort of plea deal? Have they tried to offer you anything like that?

Yes, they did. But I think it’s more like a slap to the face. And that’s the only one that I’ve seen. I think I might have told you about the only one I ever received.

What? A plea deal?

Yeah, it was the only plea deal I ever had was second degree murder the drop it down to,,, and get rid of the armed criminal action and it’ll be 30 years.

30.

Yeah. Yeah. And on the 30 years, they also gave lifetime supervision, which was bull crap because all I wanted to do is just get rid of my situation here, just do my time and be done with it. But part of Yeah, it’s part of the reason I just said, “No, that doesn’t matter.”

Gosh, that must have been so annoying because I’ve been thinking about you a lot anyway because I knew that your trial was coming up and and I kept checking all the information about it and I was like, “Oh, it’s definitely happening. We’re so close to December now.’ It was really at the last minute, wasn’t it, that they changed everything. Do you know why?

Basically cuz new evidence came about that they added to the discovery, which I still got to see. Which I guess it’s been forever since I’ve talked to her on Facebook. Apparently the video calling that you get the chance to do on Facebook

apparently it’s recorded, it’s apparently like 20 hours of freaking video that I got all watched apparently.

So what they’ve managed to get a video from Facebook of what?

Basically well it’s from what it’s sounding like to me it’s more damning to my codefendant than it’s to me because

more …

your what? Hang on, let me turn I’m going to Sorry, my phone’s a bit quiet. One sec.

Okay.

Oh, there. Yeah. Will you say that again? Sorry.

Yeah. I said it’s more damning to my codefendant than it is to me because ….Cuz apparently cuz I don’t know if you were aware that she was on Dr. Phil.

Yeah, I saw. Yeah, it’s been all over the news and stuff. So, there’s definitely lots of talk about that. She actually gave an interview with him. I don’t know, maybe like last week.

Yeah. Well, it was like Tuesday and Wednesday. I’m not sure if it was last week or the week before, but

Mhm.

But yeah whenever she did her interview with him, she mentioned her, cuz she had personas that she said that she tried to have to match my multiple personality situation that I going and what happened was she barely mentioned much about them. I mean, she barely said anything about them. Well these videos that end up getting to see of us talking on Facebook, she goes in depth about them in these videos. Which is damning. Much more damning to her.

Where are these videos from though? Are they like something that she sent to somebody or to you or like what, where are they, where have they come from?

Like I said, these are just 20 hour videos that was just us talking to each other.

Oh, right. Okay.

Yes. Like I said, it was literally videos of us doing a video call basically….

Oh, right. Okay. And so in it, she sort of acknowledges multiple personalities or something like that.

Yep. Exactly. And also the only reason why it’s more damning cuz it actually shows its her on the light, on where she’s basically talking about the planning right on the video too of the whole situation.

So talking about what? Sorry.

The planning of, Yeah. Yeah. So it literally shows the guilt I’ve been saying all this time.

Oh my goodness.

Yes. So…

So, actually, it’s annoying for you that the trial has been delayed a little bit, but actually this new evidence is pretty good for you, your situation.

Yep. Exactly. It is. It is good for me. And that basically was the equivalent of a yes man on a video.

Wow.

I mean, it might look bad to me in a sense of the fact that I’m just agreeing to it, but….

Uhhuh.

It’s showing what I’ve been saying all the time on her side…

Yeah. Gosh. And so they, I guess they won’t show that to you until trial.

Yeah, exactly.

Wow. So, what does that mean for Gypsy? Do you know?

Well, the thing is is that she’s already been sentenced with a plea deal. So, they really can’t do anything unless she violates her plea deal ironically, which there’s a chance that she might do that because apparently ever since that Dr. Phil interview, she has made the mistake of saying a lot of things that she shouldn’t have said on that Dr. Phil interview. For example, like for example, she said that she is ready to testify against me. The thing is her plea, her plea deal would actually prohibit her from being able to do that because, yeah, it actually says that in the plea deal that she’s not allowed to testify against me. Doesn’t say any, Yeah, it doesn’t say anything about her being allowed to testify for me though. So my attorney is taking advantage of this completely and he’s making her testify for me. So she ends up ratting on herself.

Oh, who is? So your attorney is making her testify for you.

Yep.

Wow. Okay. Because I guess she gets onto the stand and even if say she doesn’t feel the same way about you or maybe she does, whatever, no matter how she feels about you, whatever she says on the stand, they can use that to benefit your case.

Yep.

And why gosh?

Yep. And from the original interview she did with the police, she basically lied throughout the entire interview all the way up to like the last two minutes.

Because you actually told the truth, didn’t you.

Yeah. Well, I think it was like maybe for a little because I’ve watched your police interview. And I know for a little bit you were like because you’re worried about doing something wrong for Gypsy, but then like it’s not that long until you’re like no actually and you just sort of come out with, you know, honesty, but she didn’t say that straight away, did she?

Yeah. I mean, me knowing the whole situation now and me knowing the law is a lot better from the research I’ve been doing and everything. I probably would have said just kept silent the entire time because if I would have known that she didn’t say anything all to the very end of the interview, I probably would have forced them not to let me go cuz if I didn’t say anything and I didn’t they weren’t able to get me to talk, they would have had to release me within 24 hours.

Gosh. So, she’s still going to come to the trial. What have you How much do you know about the Dr. Phil interview?

I got to watch…

Huh?

I got to watch it on television just as they were airing it.

No, you’re joking.

I’m not joking.

Oh my gosh. You must How does that feel?

I’m very disappointed in her to tell you the truth. Yeah, I’m very disappointed in her.

Oh gosh. I can’t imagine how that must have felt because I you obviously knew that she’s been talking to people, but I guess something like Dr. Phil, that’s quite a well-known thing, isn’t it? And you must have been I guess that must have been the first time you’ve seen her, isn’t it? Like since, I mean after court and everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Just about. But the weirdest thing is that I could see hints within her while she was being interviewed that even though she was telling me and telling the rest of the audience a completely different story about me and supposedly she used to love me and blah blah blah blah, I could actually tell within her body language as well as some other stuff that she isn’t being very truthful because once they actually showed the video apparently it was 24 hours after her mom was gone. Of me and her joking around and stuff. She got very emotional as if she was trying not to cry. That’s when her actual true her emotions were showing. So, she can’t say she doesn’t love me anymore and the rest of that all she wants. But I have seen right through it. And I know without a doubt that she’s, no there’s no way she couldn’t still love me. There’s no way she couldn’t.

So, you think that she’s just saying she doesn’t love you anymore? Make her, you know, just a sort of like a cover, I guess. But you think, you know, knowing what you know about your relationship, you know that she’s maybe not, she’s lying a little bit.

Yep. Exactly. Statistically, the best way to put it is that I see her as putting on a facade. Something looking completely as one way and on the surface but it’s completely different deep within.

Cuz I actually haven’t seen all of it. I’ve just seen some clips I don’t know if we can get the whole thing over here in the UK but I saw a couple of clips of her. I didn’t see anything about where she was talking about how she feels about you and anything like that. What did all your inmates, like the guys that you were in there with, what did they think?

A lot of them couldn’t believe any of the stuff you were saying due to the fact that they live with me and everything else and they see what I do and everything else and the way I am and everything else like that. They see how I’m actually a completely different person from what she was describing on TV. I’m a very uplifting person. And I try to joke around with people from time to time to get them to laugh and smile and stuff. And that’s the thing. I’m a completely different person than what she says.

You know what and that’s why it’s so important for your part of the story to be heard because you know you say that everybody who knows you sees you as this other person than what she’s describing you as. And so actually, I think more than anything, you know, if maybe you were the person she was describing you as, there wouldn’t be any point for you to talk because, you know, that would just be who you are. But you’re obviously not that person and you obviously have your own story to tell. And that’s why it’s so important, isn’t it? Because it seems to me there’s lots of people who don’t think you’re that person.

Yeah. I mean, that is true. I mean, that’s the reason why I usually don’t judge something before I actually look at it closer because I’ve always noticed that looks can be deceiving Very much so.

So, I’m really glad that we’re talking now. And I just the reason I wasn’t really in touch before is because I wanted to give you a bit of space. But you know, as I’ve always said, like it’s so important for us to include your voice in this. And unfortunately, like because it’s a trial being delayed, it’s made things a little bit more complicated. But I’m trying to talk to, I’m going to, I’ve frozen up now because I don’t want to get it wrong. Jail or prison? What do you call it?

Jail.

I just knew I knew that you always tip me off on it and I was like, “Okay, say the right thing. Say the right thing.” No, I was going to say prison. I am in touch with the prison and I’m trying to see if we can still come and film with you in January even though it’s before your trial. Like we’ve spoken to our lawyers and they said that if it’s something that you’re comfortable with doing that legally we’re okay to do that. So, I’m still talking to, I’m talking to them and trying to figure out if they’re going to sort of allow that to happen. But I wanted to run a few things by you because if we can’t, if that gets, if we’re not able to, we still would really like to include your voice. So there are ways we can do that. You know, like we talking on the phone, we can record that and use that. and if we use video chat or things like that, you we could record you chatting and we’d still be able to get your voice there. Is that something that you would still be happy to do?

Yeah. However, I do want to let you know, Sophie, that I am hoping no matter what, no matter how long it takes for us to get a video interview going, I’m actually hoping that you’re able to record an actual camera interview at some point because….

Me, too.

The thing is is after I’m seeing how Gypsy is treating my situation behind my back and how she’s basically slandering my name, it’s making me feel more and more an urgent need to get everybody to know who I really am. It’s making me…. The thing is is I’ve I think I’ve already told you a little bit about me from last time we did talk on the phone. I think you might remember cuz I was saying before that’s brought up an integrity, type of environment always being full of integrity, honor, and all the rest of that. And whenever I know that she’s shredding all this what my family’s reputation normally is my, especially my dad’s side, my mom’s side is very much that way too but my dad side is where I get more of the honor from and maybe more the integrity from as well because my dad he’s found a way to be able to tell the truth without hurting people’s feelings. I wish I had his gift, but Yeah, he it was him. My mom, I mean, she did, I think she’s the one I get the bluntness from cuz she Yeah, she doesn’t mind hurting people’s feelings to tell the truth.

You heard from her recently?

No, I still have not. But I have been keeping in touch with my step grandma, which I consider as a real grandma since she’s been there for me. I’ve been keeping up with her and apparently my mom is doing better from what I understand. Yeah. So yeah, for me being brought up in a background of a childhood like that, it basically makes me feel like my reputation is being shredded. I’m no reason behind it at all because I also treated her. She’s trying to say that I was abusive to her, which is complete bull crap. Cuz I actually was beyond, basically the equivalent of treating her like a queen basically.

Who? Gypsy?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I made sure she had everything she needed. There was a time that when me and her were walking, this is back when she was finally at my house and we were getting her to get used to the village that I was living in and such what she saw as being very peaceful. So she loved it there, but the only two things that were truly wrong with her was I mean she could walk, but she wasn’t really able to run. She basically had still not enough muscle in her legs to be able to run. I mean, she could jog, but that’s as fast as she could run. She had that and then that’s like, cuz I mean the only other thing I could think of that was wrong with her was she had like a small form of like, what was it? Asthma. a little bit. It was like very mild. I mean, she had to stop every once in a while and just breathe. She’d be able to walk again. That was

she was okay whenever that was going on. But I think the other reason why I think it was hard for her to walk at first, besides her not having the leg muscles to walk long distances because she wasn’t used to it, is she was saying before that she was taking while she was with me supposedly that she was high and such, which was not fully true. The reason I say that’s not fully true, that it’s not even close to fully. Actually, no, no, no. I’ll put it this way. It wasn’t really true at all because the only thing that she really had with her that she was taking for the pain in her legs, and I have to admit, it’s for how hard it was for her to walk because of it was a Vicodin. So she was taking one opiate , opioid and that’s all that she was taking for it was just vicodin. She thought that was enough to be able to handle it. Yeah.

Mhm. So that’s so strong, though, isn’t it?

Yeah, it’s so strong. But the thing is is she was still lying like crazy. I mean, she didn’t take nearly all those while she was with me. So, why she says that it’s not true. That’s actually not true. I mean, I had to let my friends that I made in here, the inmates in here that are friends of mine, I’ve had to actually let them know. Like for example, on a documentary, the first one she did, she was apparently lying on there about supposedly me AKA raping her supposedly. Yeah, which is a complete lie as well. I ended up having to clear up what actually happened in the bathroom.

Let me see the bathroom at her house.

No, this is at the house. What actually. What actually happened was and they right away thought this was different, completely different from what she was saying. Well, first I ended up knocking on the door three times and I scratched twice to let her know it was me. And then I showed her my finger. She originally hesitated and then she started looking for a band-aid to put onto it. I didn’t say a single word to her. All I did is show her my finger. And that’s what she did. She hesitated. She looked for a bandage and she put the band-aid on my finger. That’s the original what she did. Completely different from what she said. And then supposedly I supposedly had a knife in my hand and so forth as if I was trying to force her to put that on there. My finger. That’s untrue as well. The actual knife that she was supposedly talking about was actually on the same gloves that she gave me, on the floor right next to the entrance way of the bathroom. Yeah. So that couldn’t have happened either because I was, I didn’t have anything on me other than showing her in my cut. That’s all I did. My hands were empty. So yeah, much less dramatic she was talking about.

Well, this is, you know, this is what I think the glaring thing about the way this story and I hate using the word story because it’s actually your real life. It’s not just a story, is it? But the glaring thing about if this is the only person’s account who we haven’t heard, you know, everybody’s heard a lot from Gypsy and her parents and stuff like that. But you know, no one’s heard anything from you. And I think that that’s why it’s so important, you know, especially at this stage, like you’re saying, this crucial stage that you know, the Dr. Phil interview came out with her and things like that. It’s just so important for you to be able to sort of like fight your own corner. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I know what you mean. And that’s part of the reason why I mean everybody’s been trying to get a hold of me. I mean, you’ve been trying to get a hold of me. I think I might have told you about 20/20. I remember texting about that, how they are. And then now you got KOLR 10 of the local news station trying to get a hold of me. I mean, there’s people trying to find out my side of the story because apparently there’s certain people who believe there’s way more to the story than she’s making things. It’s almost like they can see through her manipulation apparently.

Yeah. And look, there’s always two sides to one story, isn’t there? Always. Yeah. You know, it’s never ever just one person’s account. And I think, you know, that’s why people want to know your perspective. Do you know what would be really good though is if you can try and figure out how to get this video chat working. I know we tried so many times before.

Yep. Yep.

Did we try like five times?

We can try again. I mean they did replace one of the wires that was going into the tablets we have which now we have different tablets which to me they look more old fashioned but oh well. Anyways, yeah, they ended up replacing the wires that go into them for the phones to plug into them. So they shouldn’t have as much trouble getting it. So it’s, Yeah, we could do that. That’s for sure

Cuz you know that that’s a really good way for us to, you know be face to face, but also if we did want to record it or use any of that as well. that means that you, you know, you can see your face. It’s like giving a proper interview. Do you know what I mean? So, at this point, while we’re just in the early stages, it’s great to get that on camera for us or like recorded. You know, we want you to Well, and also, it’s just like so impersonal, isn’t it? Talking over the phone. It’s nice to be able to talk face to face, but let me figure out maybe we could chat on Monday or early next week and we can figure out a good time to see if it will work. And we can test it out before we do anything, have a trial run. That sound good?

Yeah, that sounds good to me. But yeah, I do agree with you. Hey, we can do that. And, obviously that’s the main reason why besides me getting a chance to humanize my story by letting them know what the truth really is. I mean, the audience and such. Other than that, I obviously what I want to say on like the video chat that we have might be not as indepth as when you’re actually interviewing me in person. Because I’ve already mentioned that I’m a pretty meticulous person. I’m a love of details and stuff. Once I actually get a chance to talk and actually be interviewed on camera in person, they’re going to see the true colors of just how actual detailed I am. To where…. I mean, I’m going to end up shredding the last bit of Gypsy’s credibility on what she’s saying due to how detailed I am. And she knows I’m a detailed person. So, if I get on the camera, she’s gonna be thinking, “Oh, great. Now I got something else to do with because now he’s actually being interviewed.” And now he’s actually telling the story. And once she notices that, she’s going to probably freak out. I would not be surprised if she freaked out because I’m going to end up going through each lie that she’s told that I’m aware of that she’s told and end up clarifying each one of them. So this way they know what really happened. I mean, if something really happened and she said it, I’m not going to deny it. That’s the way I am. Like I said, I’m full of integrity, so I’m not going to lie on it. If something is there, I’m going to admit it. Or if it isn’t, I’m going to pretty much call out the lie and let her know what really happened. Let everyone else know what really happened, even though she knows what really really happened. And I’ve already made it clear to her that that I was a very detailed person when me and her were like talking online and stuff. I mean she I think that’s the other reason why they, cuz they ended up taking my, what do you call it? Cuz we did do some mailing between us like through letters and stuff while I was still at my house. Apparently they took this stuff to give an idea of what kind of a person that we both are basically based on our writing and she seen just how detailed I was a big deal even within one side of the letter I went into great detail. So yeah that’s what I mean. It’ll be very fun for me because everything I involve myself with I’m very detailed. Doesn’t matter if it’s a text, it doesn’t matter if it’s on the phone like right now or…everything. I’m that way.

So you like you give it your all. You know, if you’re focusing on something, then you give it 100% if not more.

Well, yeah. Like think of it this way because this is really how I am. I wear my heart on my sleeve. Everything that people see of me, that’s really how I am. If I’m upset, obviously that’s really it’s not just me acting as if I’m upset. It really is me being upset. If I’m sad, I’m really that way. I’m not going to show any fake emotions. Like unfortunately, I’ve noticed from her doing. And then it actually disappoints me a lot because I’m aware of what she knows and what everything else. And she’s spinning it in a way that she shouldn’t be. Actually, really weird. I want to share that with you really quick.

You have one minute remaining for this call.

Oh no.

Exactly. Yeah. I was looking for the perfect word on what she’s doing to everybody. She’s subterfuge-ing everybody cuz it basically means to use trickery to get something that she wants, you know.

Mhm.

But yeah when do you want to do that video interview, you know?

Well, can do you want to call me again early next week and then I’ll try and figure out a good time and then we can discuss it then. Is that okay?

Okay, that will work.

Cool. Okay. Have you got something? Oh, I haven’t got much time, have I? okay. Yeah. Okay. Call me at some point early next week. I realize they’re just about to cut me off.

Okay, sounds good.

They probably already have. But yeah, if you call me and then we can have another chat and we can arrange a good time.

Okay, sounds good.

Thanks so much for calling, Nick.